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ornithos
Member

Hi penneddragonone,

I've been reading the various posts in this thread with great interest, as so far I've tended to back up individual files, but haven't yet cloned/imaged my HDD.

My C drive has a hidden "Restore" partition placed on there by the manufacturer, Dell.
I read somewhere once (but regrettably can't find this article anymore) that many disk imaging software packages ignore such a hidden partition. Do you know of any software that clones one's entire HDD, so that I don't loose my Restore partition in the event of a serious failure?

Thank you very much for your educating contributions to date!

Regards

Posted 15 years ago #
Robert
StrayCat

Ghost does a good job cloning hidden partitions.

Posted 15 years ago #
copmom
Member

ornithos, that's exactly what the Acronis True Image Home Edition did for me. It clones (duplicates) the entire HD so you don't lose anything. I've also got a Dell, and that hidden restore partition is what makes it show as 145 GB instead of actual 160GB.. there's a bunch of Dell restore stuff on here, but that's OK.. I've now got all of it on that spare HD as well. Hopefully I'll never need to use it as a replacement when the C: dies but maybe I should just switch the cables temporarily just to make sure that my F: drive IS a stand alone boot drive, etc., before there's a failure!
Just another thought I just had.. when I've gotten my Dell computers (had to buy a new one last Aug. when hubbies oldie got totally fried), I always ask them the mail me all of the install CD's that go with it including Windows, etc.! Normally they don't do this automatically UNLESS you ask!

Posted 15 years ago #
penneddragonone
Member

Hi Ornithos,
Most professional people I've met, which admittedly isn't that many, like Ghost. But I blame it for the time I lost all of my data by cloning a blank new drive over my full old drive which were both the same size and kind of drive. Unless the drives were different sizes it was hard to tell which one was the destination (new) and which the source (old). So I've been using Acronis ever since. Before you commit to the procedure it shows you what both drives will look like (the size of all the partitions and the number of partitions). I'm not sure why "hidden" partitions would escape being copied during cloning. Cloning makes an exact copy of the 1s and 0s on your hard drive, including all of the viruses and errors. So you want to make sure to make a copy of your clean, working drive. Don't wait till you have a problem to clone your drive. Your copy will still have the problem. But it does help to clone a problem drive if you don't know exactly how to fix it. I cloned my laptop when a virus made the keyboard stop working. I downloaded a free program called Click-N-Type and used the on-screen keyboard and my still working mouse to run my programs. Then I put the copy in my computer and did all the things I read about in different website forums to try to fix my operating system. Ultimately I repaired my system but found myself without sound. Another week went by of trying everything people suggested and Simple Minded, a GOTD member, told me what to do. So quick, while my drive was working I made clone over the old messed up drive. Cloning erases the old drive and replaces it with the new image.

Another good thing to do while your drive is clean and working is to use Driver Magician to back up all of your drivers. Then burn the data folder to a CD. Then you don't have to go to all the different manufacturer's websites to hunt up drivers again. That can take days. If you go to some free driver sites you run the chance of getting viruses. People love to put viruses on those sites. Dell gives you a system CD with the operating system and they give you a Drivers and Utilities CD. But I just reinstalled my friend's Dell system and some of the drivers didn't reinstall. The one from Dell didn't work for his model and I had to get it elsewhere. Sometimes you reinstall the system and look at the device manager to see if all the devices are okay and find a lot of question marks beside "unknown" devices. Then you have to use third party software to try to figure out what the device is before you get the driver for it.

Long story short, it is just a heck of a lot easier to keep your PC up and running if you keep a recent clone of your hard drive handy. Most folks get hit with a $200 reinstallation fee by their electronics store (even if they have purchased a warranty) for getting their computer up and running again. They may or may not get their data back and they certainly won't get their programs, except what shipped with the computer.

Copmom is right! EVERYBODY should ask for the CDs. You need the CDs to reinstall the system. Some manufacturers charge $20-$30 for the CDs and it takes time to ship them. So meanwhile your computer is down. Keep the CDs that come with any new hardware you add to your system (like sound card, new video card, new DVD player or new network card).

To answer your question, Ghost and Acronis work! They copy the 1s and 0s on your hard drive bit by bit. For cloning an old version works as good as the new versions. Look up cloning, mirror, imaging, or ghosting your hard drive on how to websites like http://www.ehow.com or http://www.techsupportalert.com or raymond.cc to get an idea of what is involved before you try it. Back up your data to CDs first. Make sure you chose the right source and right destination drive or you will wind up with two empty drives.

The Restore partitions are usually FAT32 files, to protect them from viruses supposedly, maybe that's why some cloning programs don't see them. I'm no expert, just taking a vocational ed class so I can keep my own family's computers going.

Thanks, Robert, and Copmom for the support. I don't know why companies don't send you the CDs automatically. you've just spent a thousand dollars looks like they would respect that by automatically including a dime CD or two in the package. Of course if your hard drive gets zapped the restore partition is gonna go too so you need the external CDs. Some manufacturers like HP tell you to burn your own CD when you get the computer. So some people should look in their computer documentation to see if they need to do that.

If your system gets fried call your local adult education school to see if they take outside computers in to fix. My class does and they don't charge anything for the service.

A site like this one is really helpful. It is full of friendly, helpful people. I was ready to rip my laptop in two and Simple Minded saved the day.

Posted 15 years ago #
RosnSC
Member

"RosnSC, Are you sure it is your hard drive?"

Penneddragone, it didn't turn off, but just refused to operate normally, wouldn't do ANYthing. I just got a new hard drive tonight, from BestBuy - a 500 GB Western Digital. I am trying to install OS software on it, and so far am getting no good results. Some of the software will go part of the way, but will just stop at a certain point.

Sue

Posted 15 years ago #
penneddragonone
Member

RosnSC, It is not your hard drive. It sounds like the computer works until your processor gets hot and then stops. Is your processor fan clean? Is your case fan clean and working? Get a can of compressed air and blow the dust off of the processor fan on the motherboard and off of the video, sound and network cards. I usually take mine outside to blow it out. When you plug it back in make sure the processor fan is turning.

You can get a print out of all the hardware on your computer by running a free program called Belarc which you can download from http://www.download.com. I think it will tell you what kind of fan you need to get. Sometimes a power cable gets stuck in the fan. Sometimes it gets too dirty for air to circulate through it efficiently. That is especially true if you have a pet. You can use a vacuum cleaner attachment on the case openings and underneath the plastic detachable front panel of the case. There are free programs that will show how hot your machine is getting.

If you are getting the blue screen of death when the computer stops, you might have a RAM memory stick that is bad or going bad. You need one stick in the motherboard slot for the computer to run. But you can take the sticks out and try them one at a time to see if the computer still crashes. Memory sticks lock onto your motherboard. You unlock them by pressing down the tab at the top and bottom of the slot the memory stick is in. RAM memory sticks are keyed. They only fit in one way..so pay attention how you take them out which way the label is facing. So you can put them back in the same way/direction. They click into the slot as both tabs snap into place as you press them correctly back into the slot.

Watch some technical videos on ehow.com or techsupportalert.com or youtube.com, to see how to install and uninstall RAM memory, processor fan, and processor. Case fans are easy to change out, make sure to mark where the case fan plugs into the motherboard and power supply. Be sure to touch the computer case to ground out your body electricity. You can fry your motherboard with your body's static electricity if you don't.

I don't think it is your hard drive if the new one has not fixed the problem. Bad hard drives usually make a knocking, clicking noise or you get the blue screen of death with only letters and coding on the screen.

I'm assuming your computer is not still under warranty. If it is you should have a tech look at it. If you work on a computer that is still under warranty, you can void the warranty.

Also check the fan on the power supply in the back of your computer. Is it running when you turn your computer on? Is it running after the computer freezes?

Posted 15 years ago #
penneddragonone
Member

You can take the battery out of your motherboard for four or five minutes (you may need to replace it $6.00) then put it back in. That can reset your BIOS. If your computer runs, download this program to diagnose memory and burn it to a CD (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Memory-Tweak/Microsoft-Windows-Memory-Diagnostic.shtml). You will have to boot from your CD drive to run the program. Sometimes the memory sticks get a little corroded and just taking them out and putting them back in will clean the contacts enough for them to work again.

If that doesn't help try a new power supply of a bigger wattage than the one you currently have. Try it outside of the case first before you change the old one for the new. Pay close attention to where all of the connectors to. Most of them are keyed so they only fit one way.

Again, check out a video how to install a power supply.

First though, I would run Malwarebytes free malware program from http://www.download.com and an up-to-date virus removal tool like the free one Kaspersky has, just in case some virus is doing the damage.

Posted 15 years ago #
ornithos
Member

Hi Copmom and penneddragonone,

Based on your joint recommendations, it appears that Acronis True Image is the one to go for. It also helps that there are free versions available :<)

penneddragonone, like you I wasn't sure why an image copier would not be able to copy the ENTIRE "surface" of any given HDD. It's just that I read this somewhere and wanted to run this by you guys before committing to a particular solution. Thanks for confirming matters.

I will be chasing Dell up for my OS/driver CDs; I have just never got around to doing this to date, but do realise the importance of having them (e.g. in the case of total HDD failure).

It sounds like your local adult education schools do a sterling (or is that a dollar ...) job in making people more IT tech savvy; here in the UK our (evening) community colleges tend to have courses aimed at mostly newcomers to computing, and very few have courses dealing with the hardware and OS side of things.

Once again, thanks for both your help.

Kind regards, SB

P.S. - this thread is beginning to develop into a valuable "How to" resource :<)

Posted 15 years ago #
Whiterabbit-uk
Games Guru

Hi RosnSC,

I've not been keeping abreast of the developments in this thread, so I apologise for the late reply to your post on page one where you mention that your external gave up on you so you lost all your programs. This doesn't have to be as bad as you thought because all the registration details will still be stored in your registry. All you need to do is download the programs from their respective developers and install them afresh. They should still be registered; though it is important that you ensure you have the correct versions of each program.

PM me if you require any further help.

Whiterabbit

Posted 15 years ago #
copmom
Member

Sue.. and everyone. I opened up my case last night (after shutting off the computer) and was going to just blow it out with canned air and vacuum like I have done in the past. It's a Dell and almost 3 years old. Didn't look too bad.
Well there's a large bright green plastic case towards the top rear that I've never opened.. thought it was the processor? Good golly!! I opened it! Egads! It's a miracle my machine even ran. There was a VERY thick coating of grey stuff covering everything there.. just like a TV screen (or computer monitor) it's magnetic and attracts dust. Called hubby back here and said, "you have GOT to see this"!
At first I thought it was a felt pad or something.. it was THAT thick! I started vacuuming all that stuff, even used a teensy brush to get it out of everything. There are even more cards behind there on the motherboard, and the other side of the processor fan. NOW you cannot even tell my computer is on, it's SO quiet. DUH!

ORNITHOS.. I don't know if Dell will still send you those CD's without charging unless your computer is new.. you can try, but I normally request these when I'm placing the actual order. But, they do have records so can confirm, etc. Just tell them you need them in case you ever have to format your machine!
Lauri (that thought she knew how to do things before)!!!

Posted 15 years ago #
ornithos
Member

Hi copmom,

I can't remember if you were one of the people on the forum who mentioned that they had pets; I can tell you from experience that dust and pet hair cause many problems by clogging up the inside of computer hardware. I used to work for a company that supllied hard and software to veterinary surgeries and we had no end of problems with hardware failures. I always used to advise our customers not to place their PC system units on the floor as it's almost like having a vacuum cleaner sitting there. This is good advice for everyone, I believe.

My PCs get a regular cleanout as part of a preventative maintenance regime. Anyway,
I'm glad that you've got things up and running again.

I'll try Dell anyway, even though my computer is outside of its warranty now.

All the best,

SB

Posted 15 years ago #
copmom
Member

Hi ornithos.. yep. Guilty as charged. Two dogs and 1 'feral' cat that thinks he's a dog. Yes, pet hair IS a problem, but I do love my babies! Now that I've seen what my computer innards can get like, it will be maintained a LOT more frequently.. yes, it IS like having a vacuum cleaner sitting on the floor, (good description), and yet, that's the only place I can have it because of the way this workstation is laid out! On the top left is a shelf for the monitor, and beside that taking up the whole right is a bookshelf thingy with slots for putting cd's, books, etc. So that doesn't leave me much 'real estate' to put anything else on the desktop. Not enough depth to put the tower which is 16-1/2" and the remaining desktop in front of the bookshelf is only 14", not counting the cords coming out of the back. Gee, now that I have measured, maybe, that would work, so what if it overlaps! Anything to save this computer!

Posted 15 years ago #
RosnSC
Member

"RosnSC, It is not your hard drive."

penneddragono, you mentioned the processor fan; I have noticed for some time now, that off and on I would hear this sound coming from the tower, like a fan running fast. Once, I actually saw the fan (on the tower, itself) running when I heard that noise. It did that, again, last night as I was attempting to get my software installed. Going on what you said about it not being the hard drive, I have removed the new one, and reinstalled the old one. My son and I are going to clean out both computers, a bit later this afternoon. When that is done, I am going to give things another try. I hope it is only the processor fan.

Sue - who doesn't have 'fur babies' to add to the (dust) mix...(chuckle)

Posted 15 years ago #
copmom
Member

Sue.. even tho' you don't have fur babies.. these things DO attract dust and we all DO have dust bunnies, they really can multiply, just like rabbits. (I don't mean you whiterabbit.. LOL) Mine looked like when you take the filter out of the dryer when I opened that big cover thing by the processor! Egads!

Posted 15 years ago #
Robert
StrayCat

Sue

Your story sounds familiar to me.
Over here I had two similar experiences:

1)on one occasion the processor fan was partly detached from the processor (on one side).
So make sure to check it's firmly attached to the processor.

2)on an other computer it was a tiny(almost invisible) rapture of the circuits on the mainboard
(that had to be replaced consequently)

I do have 'fur babies' but they weren't responsible...

-edit-
'Evening Copmom..
Thanks.

Posted 15 years ago #
penneddragonone
Member

RosnSC,

If you have a Dell with one of those green plastic enclosure for the processor and fan,you’ll have to remove it to clean the processor fan. The processor fan is very important. It is really important to determine whether it is working or not. Watch the processor fan over a period of time and see if it starts and stops. The case fan is easy to replace. The processor fan can crack the motherboard if you press too hard down on it (depending on the type). Some of them have locking devices and are hard to extract. If the power supply fan is functioning sporadically, replacing that power supply should be fairly easy as long as you pay real close attention to where all the little cables go. It powers everything and some of the smaller connectors are easy to miss. You might want to take a digital picture of the motherboard connectors before you disconnect everything so you have something with the original connections to refer to.

UNPLUG your computer from the wall before you work inside it. Just turning it off isn’t enough to cut off electricity to the case. It doesn’t hurt to replace the battery on your motherboard. This will reset your CMOS chip.

Some computers have variable speed processor fans that will spin faster when the processor is working harder. But it should always be spinning. Try reseating the memory sticks. If you have the green thing that covers the processor, don’t forget to clean underneath it. I think it is supposed to channel the hot processor air out of the case faster.

I have my Dell because the case fan broke, the processor overheated and turned the computer off. Someone threw it away. I put a new case fan in and now I’m the proud owner of an old Dell.

“Hope it is only the processor fan”

You can replace the processor fan. It is a very very important fan. If the processor overheats because the fan doesn’t cool it it could ruin the processor or motherboard or both. The motherboard/processor is the heart of your computer. I’m talking about the fan on the motherboard, not the one on the back or side of the computer case.

The processor gets very hot like the video card and memory sticks sometimes they work themselves loose and just pushing them snuggly back in makes them function properly again.

The power supply is also a likely candidate cause for your problem. Without having your computer in my grubby hands it is hard to be specific. Some people use PC Doctor to test system hardware. Running Malwarebytes fixes a multitude of buggy computer problems too.

You can get your tower off of the floor by standing it on one of those mini milk crates or a couple of telephone books. Three or four inches off of the floor is better than flat on the floor. I found a hair ball the size of my fist under my friend’s front case panel and his case is inside his desk a good 8 inches off of the floor.

Posted 15 years ago #
RosnSC
Member

I looked at my processor, and it is really dusty. It's a wonder any air gets in there, at all. On that note, and based on what some of you said about computers catching so much dust when set on the floor, I have decided to move my Gateway tower to the desk where my Compaq has been sitting, and move the Compaq to the Gateway's desk. I have something by the Compaq desk to set the too-high-for-my-desks-built-in-shelf Gateway tower on, and thus get it off the floor.

Actually, I had thought of doing that before because those who want to use the more popular Compaq impede my progress back and forth to my sewing area of the sewing/computer room. The tallest member of my family is 5' 10", but sit back from the desk as though they were almost 7' tall. I have to make everyone move so I can get by them...ugh!

Robert, mine is definitely attached. I tried moving it, once, (I think) to see how it was attached...don't recall why, really.

"there's a large bright green plastic case"

Copmom, isn't that the power supply? I looked in the same area on my Compaq, and though it isn't green, it is big. I don't know how easy mine would be to access given that 2 of the retaining screws are under the tower case. Looks like it would be difficult to get a screwdriver in there.

W'abbit, I don't remember what all is on that drive, now. I have been considering getting a new external case for it though. I wonder if that would work giving that those cases are designed for converting an internal to an external?

Sue - who is glad she had the foresight to save her favorite games to jump drives...hee hee

Posted 15 years ago #
penneddragonone
Member

RosnSC,
You must not have what we're talking about. It comes in Dells and some Gateways and covers the area of the processor, processor fan and case fan. It is directly over your motherboard under the silver metal case the power supply is in. Don't open the power supply case. It can be hazardous and there are no user serviceable parts in it.

Did you try taking your motherboard battery out for five minutes and then putting it back to reset the BIOS? A local electronics store was selling 64 gigabyte jump drives last week for $100.

Posted 15 years ago #
penneddragonone
Member

RosnSC,
A new case for your external drive might work. You could always take it back to the store if it doesn't.

Posted 15 years ago #
penneddragonone
Member

Picture of green thing here http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1610&page=3
the little square silver flat thing in the second photo down is the processor. In this case there is not a heating fan. There is a heat sink made of aluminum flanges like a radiator to draw heat away from the little square processor.

and green thing installed here http://www.mrmartinweb.com/images/computer/dell4600.jpg.

Posted 15 years ago #
RosnSC
Member

No, Penneddragonone, I don't have one of those green things. I won't mess with the power supply case; don't need to cause any further damage...lol. No, I didn't remove the battery; don't know how to remove it.

When my son gets through eating his supper, we are going to take both towers - one at a time - out to the porch and blow the dust out of them. Right now, I am going to go find out what a heat sink looks like, and see if I have one. I may have seen them before, but forgot what they look like.

Sue

Posted 15 years ago #
RosnSC
Member

Okay, that is what I have, and it's (mine) pretty dusty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AMD_heatsink_and_fan.jpg

Sue

Posted 15 years ago #
penneddragonone
Member

RosnSC, That one is not so hard to remove to get to the processor under it. It just unhooks on the right side and comes off. The processor looks like this: http://www.mysuperpc.com/pc_assembly/amd_processor_underneath.jpg on the bottom. Like this more or less on top: http://www.hardwarezone.com/img/data/articles/2004/1215/01-processor-front.jpg. Forgive me if you already know how, but this tells you how to install a processor: http://www.hardwarezone.com/img/data/articles/2004/1215/01-processor-front.jpg. AMD processors usually run until they burn themselves out. Intel protects itself by turning off before it burns up.

The battery looks like this: http://www.technibble.com/articlecontent/2007/12/remove-bios-battery.jpg. You usually have to use a small flathead screwdrier to remove it. There is a small metal clip you push back to pop the battery out. http://www.technibble.com/how-to-bypass-or-remove-a-bios-password/

To install or reseat RAM memory sticks: http://video.about.com/pcsupport/PCmemory-mov.--7x.htm. And http://videos.howstuffworks.com/howstuffworks/26-how-to-install-ram-to-a-desktop-computer-video.htm. The little notch in the middle of the memory stick is not in the center but off to one side a bit. So it is keyed and you have only one correct direction to point the stick in so that it will seat properly. Check the small ridge inside the memory slot and make sure it lines up with the notch on the bottom of the memory stick.

To install a new power supply: http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-install-or-change-my-computers-power-supply and http://www.ehow.com/video_2200423_computer-power-supplies.html. So you can get a power supply with both SATA and PATA connectors.

Posted 15 years ago #
penneddragonone
Member

If you want to be absolutely safe while working in your computer, you can buy an antistatic wrist band at an electronic store for about $6 and clip it to the case to ground it. My teacher told us to touch the metal case to dissipate the static from our bodies before touching anything inside the case.

Posted 15 years ago #
RosnSC
Member

Okay...so far the tower has been dusted, and the battery removed and reinserted. My son is closing it all back up; when he's done, will hook it up and see how things go.

Sue

Posted 15 years ago #
penneddragonone
Member

Here is how to clone a drive rather than just back it up by copying files you clone it by copying bits.

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=418

You can also use the process to move your programs and data from one computer to another when your computer finally bites the dust. So from your old small hard drive to a new larger one and from old slow computer to new faster one. This doesn't always work though. I tried moving my desktop XP system to my new laptop Vista system. It didn't work however, because most of the laptop hardware did not have XP drivers. If you're moving from desktop to desktop, however, you can add a PCI soundcard if the motherboard doesn't have XP drivers....same goes for Video card and network card. YOu have to make sure the motherboard supports XP drivers.

Posted 15 years ago #
penneddragonone
Member

I forgot to mention that some processors come with little black plastic flexible holder/protector on them. You take that off of the processor before you put it in the motherboard socket. one of the kids in class put that in with the processor and the plastic melted when the processor got hot and ruined the motherboard. The processor only fits in one way too. There is a little triangle on the bottom that you match up with the socket. Don't ever force the processor into the socket. You can bend or break pins. This video shows you the black thing on the bottom of an Intel processor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6NbPMQgwPM. This heat sink and fan are harder to install because they click through the motherboard and have directional slots above the locking connectors that have to be pointing the right way to snap the heat sink into the motherboard over the processor. Removing them is a pain in the butt too. Here's an AMD processor removal/installation video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hChFXGwvFo. That grey grease gets all over the place.

I gotta go fill out my heart monitor log. Hope some of this stuff was helpful.

Posted 15 years ago #
RosnSC
Member

Well I used my Recovery Disk to try to get my Compaq up and running again, but still nothing. What it *will* do is give the option to do the recovery, which I do, and it goes through this 2-part process with the dotted line bar at the bottom of the screen. Then, it goes black for a few seconds, and then this red-orange colored COMPAQ appears on the screen, accompanied by 3 dots moving under the COMPAQ word, like XP does when loading up. It doesn't get beyond that COMPAQ-3 dots thing. I haven't yet tried the memory sticks tip you gave me, Pennedragonone, because I had to stop 'playing' computer tech for a while and do something else with my family. Actually, I decided to take a break and watch a movie with them. BTW, the movie we watched is Along Came A Spider, with Morgan Freeman in it. It was a good movie!

Sue

Posted 15 years ago #
copmom
Member

penneddragon.. that picture of the big green thing is exactly what I was talking about.. I never knew it opened up before! Now I know! Also, that heat sink, if that's what it is, (the little square metal looking thing) was also totally covered in front. Since I've been following links about this.. several places state that a vacuum can cause static electricity and it's advised to just use canned air... then again others state that this has not been proven one way or the other. I'm not actually touching anything with the vacuum tip, just holding it close to suck out the crud.
penneddragon.. what you need to do is put all your advice into a manual, and sell it on eBay as a 'how to' booklet on fixing your own computer!
From the sound of all this, maybe there's a new service business out there for all of us! Go to peoples homes and periodically dust out their computers for them! Bet they'd be willing to pay for this!! There's a lot of folks that are afraid to (or can't) even open their tower, let alone dust it out. LOL

Posted 15 years ago #
penneddragonone
Member

Copmom, You're absolutely right. That's what our teacher tells us. Do a maintenance business...charge $40 and go to client's house once a month to defrag, anti-malware, etc. their computer. Some of his students did that and made money hand over fist. While they were there the did added services like set up a network, install upgrades to computer etc. But it takes all of my spare time to keep my own and family's computers clean and running.

I keep getting that malicious fake anti-virus 2009 thing that makes you buy their anti-virus before it will let you remove it and some versions now lock up your documents until you pay $50 to remove the lock. If I hadn't gone to class, I'd be $1000 bucks in the hole right now, because I couldn't even run restore or reinstall my system before. That's my disposable income for a year. My family is predisposed to heart trouble. My brother died at 28. I had a massive heart attack at 39, but my daughter got help under difficult circumstances (which in America seem to always be difficult if you're not rich) and by the grace of God I'm still puttering about.

Couldn't write a book because the stuff I told about I got from my teacher or someone on the web. Even if my thoughts were mine I wouldn't remember them for more than a day or two. It irritates the heck out of my teacher when I call something a thingy. Why are men like that? How can anyone be expected to remember the name of all the little thousand pieces in a computer! especially when they have a dozen different names for the same thing!

I have to go to the doctor and get this monitor off my chest then I'll go dig up my teacher (he's running around campus with the class having them wire up a classroom for networking) and ask him about RosnSC's computer. I'd ask him to repsond in the forum but he still hasn't answered my email from 2004...

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